LEANing

[gshuntMember]

Simply put, leaning is not the problem. Moving me away from the table when i shoot doesnt make you a better player. You WILL lose.

"Elbow Rule players… I fuckin shower in that shit. I eat that shit for breakfast lunch and dinner."

I think you are missing the main point of this entire discussion. Nobody is claiming that the top players today will start losing with elbow rule or a longer table. We are simply trying to discuss ways of making the game more accesible to casual players. Better attendance benefits everyone.

yeah, c’mon Hersh get with the program

Too bad there are no simple and elegant solutions to making it more accessible.

[hersh13Member]

god you’re a nerd wianeki… Please save the diplomatic crap for someone else, cuz its kind od annoying. We all want to attract new players. Talking in circles about rules isnt going to do it. This game is a great time. Talk about that instead. Reality is we all know these rules are boring and monotonous. House rules are 10 times more fun, and I commend the WPT for tryin to keep the fun part in the game by staying closer to house rules. These rules however, are NECESSARY for tournament play, as has been said like a million times on here. Therefore, we all continue to lean, continue to play these rules, and coninue to compete in these tournaments. If it weren’t for the allure of money for winning at beer pong, none of us would have ever touched these rules. For tournament and money play, I love these rules including the leaning, but casual play, I’m on their side. Elbows back, and watch the explosions fly!

[dwissbrun2Member]

"Elbow Rule players… I fuckin shower in that shit. I eat that shit for breakfast lunch and dinner."

fuckn hilarious :ir:

Seriously though, I think one thing we never talk about is the cost to either play in a sattelite ($50 per team on ave I think) and of the wsobp ($1000 with entry & flight per person).

I don’t think a lot of "average" players want to pay that to play. The most successful ongoing tournament I ever saw was in Ann arbor & that was $20 per team, with somethinglike a $250 payout. Recently I’ve attende some tournaments that are $10 per team, with $100 payout, split 70% 20% 10%. These tournaments are turning out more people than sattelites thrown in approx the same areas. Food for thought.

However… With low payouts like that u prob lose some of the better teams who are out to make serious cash.

[dwissbrun2Member]

One more $ example

Patrick from Ohio runs something along these lines: weekly tournament or play, which doesn’t bust the bank to play in. After however many weeks the top teams from all the weeks play for wsobp bids in a final tourney only open to those teams. Obviously I don’t know all the details, but this is possibly one solution to the $ and attendance problems.

[nicknycMember]

The 1 thing that people are competely wrong with is suggesting changing equipment …..b/d/s after all their hard work and money are finally getting some serious exposure in the mainstream ( maxim, leno show, g4 network etc) the last thing you want to do is change the identity of pong. The plywood tables are being eliminated across college campuses and house parties in exchange for the 8 ft bpong table. This is all progress for the game. Yeah you will have great players like pop , kessler , vince etc….. that win more then people want but all sports have them Kobe, lebron ,wade .. they make it look just as easy. all these players are beatable. It might take longer then people would like for the house party players to adapt to banning an elbow rule but it wil happen. The more exposure WSBP gets the more people will adapt to the rules. People play competitive professional sports a) bc they love the game but b) because they make money doing so. My cousin and his frat buddies found out about the WS and the payout and immediately switched the rules and once he turns 21 plans on making the trip and swears he is gonna win. This mentality will grow the game.

[scallyMember]

I dont have anything to say on the topic. I just felt letf out being the only person not to comment on this. Leaning is awesome. Me and my partner strech armstrong are so good at it. He never misses…

[ecastro715Member]

I dont have anything to say on the topic. I just felt letf out being the only person not to comment on this. Leaning is awesome. Me and my partner strech armstrong are so good at it. He never misses…

is his screen name six_ten?

[mikevitMember]

Talking in circles about rules isnt going to do it. This game is a great time. Talk about that instead. Reality is we all know these rules are boring and monotonous. House rules are 10 times more fun.
These rules however, are NECESSARY for tournament play, as has been said like a million times on here. Therefore, we all continue to lean, continue to play these rules, and continue to compete in these tournaments. If it weren’t for the allure of money for winning at beer pong, none of us would have ever touched these rules. For tournament and money play, I love these rules including the leaning, but casual play, I’m on their side. Elbows back, and watch the explosions fly!

Hersh is 100% right here. I don’t think anyone will say the current bpong rules are more "fun" to play.

The bpong rules simply give each team as close to an equal chance to win as possible which is why it works for tournaments and cash games. The bpong rules are best for putting teas or players on a level playing field and finding the superior team or player.

House rules, on the other hand, are great for parties. Most of the house rules were developed for the 4 reasons listed below with examples of each rule type:
1. To make your opponent drink more and drink faster. (ex. drink before you shoot, money cups, finishing remaining cups on the table after a loss)
2. To move games along during parties. (ex rollbacks, NBA jam, explosions, death cup, bouncing)
3. To get girls involved in the game somehow (ex bitches blow & strip beer pong) which hopefully leads to the next rule
4. To get laid (ex "no means yes")

In conclusion, whether you are playing by house rules to impress some nubile sorority slut that will definitely fuck you because she is impressed with your skills (drunk), or you are playing bpong rules to make a quick $20 to by meth to pay a desperate hooker, each rule set serves its purpose.

[GSPMember]

I don’t think changing rules/equipment is the way to gain larger turnouts to tournaments. If you wanna get more players to tournaments, there needs to be more promoting! There is still a ton of people all across the country that have no idea about the WSOBP. This year has been better then past years with g4, leno, maxim, and other positive coverage… But it needs to keep up all year so the word can spread. Also, there needs to be more local beer pong tournaments/leagues….average players wanting to get their feet wet and try it out aren’t gonna travel an hr+ for tournaments. If more local beer pong promoters popped up and started hosting weekly tournaments or started a league, it would get casual players more involved and eventual the’ll be into it and start traveling hours to play in satelites and big money tourneys.

WSOBP V had about 460 teams, that’s about 920 players…..all who prolly started off playing house rules, all who still made the trip out to play with these rules. Getting more people to adapt our rules and stop bitching could be as simple as just keep doing what were doing, spread the word more, and eventually elbow rule will be a small footnote in the beer pong history book.

[phpistastyMember]

if you eliminate leaning then you’ll just have tons and tons of challenges. leaning makes sense with the size of the table. we just have to get used to it (we being short people and midgets )

[smeyerusafMember]

If this suggestion has already been made then i apologize, but i too am not a fan of the leaning. I understand the necessity for it based on what i’ve read. The number of games being played simultaneously makes refereeing an impossibility and lord knows we can never rely on self or opponent judging. I would like to suggest a set distance marked by a line on the ground. Kind of like Darts. You can lean as far as you want, you just have to start leaning from a spot further back then right next to the table. The average distance from the armpit to the elbow is a quarter of a mans height. So getting a fair distance for everyone may be a challenge, but that has to be a more fair compromise then letting noobs lean across the table. So set a tape line 12 to 18 inches (18 inches is the distance from armpit to elbow for someone 6 foot tall). This will ensure no unfair leaning across the table and will not need excess refereeing. That is unless you foresee people trying to slide there toe a little past the line, or hoping that the other team can’t see their feet and maybe sliding a little further forward. If you do see that as becoming a problem then feel free to tell me that i’m a reTARD.

[dubMember]

If this suggestion has already been made then i apologize, but i too am not a fan of the leaning. I understand the necessity for it based on what i’ve read. The number of games being played simultaneously makes refereeing an impossibility and lord knows we can never rely on self or opponent judging. I would like to suggest a set distance marked by a line on the ground. Kind of like Darts. You can lean as far as you want, you just have to start leaning from a spot further back then right next to the table. The average distance from the armpit to the elbow is a quarter of a mans height. So getting a fair distance for everyone may be a challenge, but that has to be a more fair compromise then letting noobs lean across the table. So set a tape line 12 to 18 inches (18 inches is the distance from armpit to elbow for someone 6 foot tall). This will ensure no unfair leaning across the table and will not need excess refereeing. That is unless you foresee people trying to slide there toe a little past the line, or hoping that the other team can’t see their feet and maybe sliding a little further forward. If you do see that as becoming a problem then feel free to tell me that i’m a reTARD.

There is a line. It’s called the edge of the table.

Your theory solves nothing, by the way. Tables move. Tape moves. And saying in one breath that there’s no way to govern people’s elbows crossing the plane of the table, but to then say tape will solve the problem is absurd. It’s the same exact thing, if not worse.

[jonespongpilotMember]

If this suggestion has already been made then i apologize, but i too am not a fan of the leaning. I understand the necessity for it based on what i’ve read. The number of games being played simultaneously makes refereeing an impossibility and lord knows we can never rely on self or opponent judging. I would like to suggest a set distance marked by a line on the ground. Kind of like Darts. You can lean as far as you want, you just have to start leaning from a spot further back then right next to the table. The average distance from the armpit to the elbow is a quarter of a mans height. So getting a fair distance for everyone may be a challenge, but that has to be a more fair compromise then letting noobs lean across the table. So set a tape line 12 to 18 inches (18 inches is the distance from armpit to elbow for someone 6 foot tall). This will ensure no unfair leaning across the table and will not need excess refereeing. That is unless you foresee people trying to slide there toe a little past the line, or hoping that the other team can’t see their feet and maybe sliding a little further forward. If you do see that as becoming a problem then feel free to tell me that i’m a reTARD.

A bar in NY used to do tape line, it really didn’t work. For one, the tape would get messed up and shift from beer and getting stepped on. People would often call you crossed the line and start a huge argument, when you really couldn’t tell.

I do agree your reasoning that it would change outsiders perception of the sport like pro darts. I still think its a good idea to make an extension bar off the table, it would be a good paradigm shift for pong.

[mikevitMember]

If this suggestion has already been made then i apologize, but i too am not a fan of the leaning. I understand the necessity for it based on what i’ve read. The number of games being played simultaneously makes refereeing an impossibility and lord knows we can never rely on self or opponent judging. I would like to suggest a set distance marked by a line on the ground. Kind of like Darts. You can lean as far as you want, you just have to start leaning from a spot further back then right next to the table. The average distance from the armpit to the elbow is a quarter of a mans height. So getting a fair distance for everyone may be a challenge, but that has to be a more fair compromise then letting noobs lean across the table. So set a tape line 12 to 18 inches (18 inches is the distance from armpit to elbow for someone 6 foot tall). This will ensure no unfair leaning across the table and will not need excess refereeing. That is unless you foresee people trying to slide there toe a little past the line, or hoping that the other team can’t see their feet and maybe sliding a little further forward. If you do see that as becoming a problem then feel free to tell me that i’m a reTARD.

A bar in NY used to do tape line, it really didn’t work. For one, the tape would get messed up and shift from beer and getting stepped on. People would often call you crossed the line and start a huge argument, when you really couldn’t tell.

I do agree your reasoning that it would change outsiders perception of the sport like pro darts. I still think its a good idea to make an extension bar off the table, it would be a good paradigm shift for pong.

World Pong Tour used to do a tape line when they used the 7.5ft tables and those tournaments ran fairly smoothly. It honestly isn’t that bad of a solution. Since the table really should never be moved during the game, as long as both teams check the distance before the game starts it should be fine. It just takes a little effort on the part of the tournament organizer to "maintain" the tape line throughout the tournament.

[sultanMember]

It’s about consistency, weather your 6 feet from the cups or leaning in to 4 feet from the cups, it is still just as difficult to throw the same throw consistently for a tournament …..

I know i wouldn’t beat the best (at the moment, slight giggle) if they were playing elbow rule and i was leaning because they are more consistent….

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