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jomalley333
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    Posted: Jul 28th 2009, 09:57 pm
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  • I read through the Beast of the East forum and have to say the format seems weak. It doesn’t really prove who has the best region and once your partner is picked out it doesn’t matter what team you were on. So here is what I think would be a great competition.
     
    8 Squads with 10 members on each (i.e. Maryland, Long Island, Westchester)
     
    Matchup those 8 Squads up randomly in a bracket
     
    Take the 10 members of each team and make 5 random teams
     
    Those five teams from each Squad play one best 2 out of 3 against one of their bracket opponents. (i.e. MD team1 vs, LI team 3, MD team 2 vs. LI 5, MD team 3 vs. LI 4, MD 4 vs. LI 2 and MD team 5 vs. LI 1)
     
    Whichever team wins 3 out of 5 matchups moves on to the next round
     
    Next round the Squads pick new random partners to play the 2nd round bracket opponent
     
    Each round would have 10-15 games per Squad matchup depending on the number of rubber matches. There would be 7 Squad matchups in a 8 team bracket. The third round would be the championship.
     
    This makes the Beast of the East tournament more of a team event rather than a randomly picked doubles tournament.  Every player on your team matters and every match-up matters. 10 team Squads are better because places like Mass, Mich, Philly, and NJ can have their own teams and Places like LI, Maryland, and Westchester can have two teams. If more than 8 teams sign up we can work that out.
    For 8 teams of 10 at $50 a head the payout could be $2500 First place and $1000 second and that leaves $500 for beer and supplies.
     
cfresh
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    Posted: Jul 28th 2009, 10:36 pm
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    This is also just a suggestion of something I did in college. 
    You do it with 11 singles and you write down a line-up order.
    Your 1 plays there 1 and so forth.  (best of 3)  the winning team takes a point for their state.
    The first team/state  with 6 wins takes the series.   Then the winning team plays the other winning team.
    If you did $50 or $100 head that would leave a nice pot for the team to split.

    Agreed totally  Kessler from Philly suggested something similar without a bracket when the posts originally strted .
     
    Look at his post.  The thing that sucks the way they did it last time is it is luck of the draw.
    I also think this will bring more attention to the final series when its down to 2 states you could have just 2 or 3 tables up and it would get intense.
     
    Great idea.
     

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jonespongpilot
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    Posted: Jul 28th 2009, 11:00 pm
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  • it would be much better having this format from a team aspect.  The way its currently set up once your partner is radomly picked its then a free for all and in the end just one random partnership will be on top. the way its suggested all matchups are crucial for your team and becomes much more than an individual effort.  the squad with the most depth WILL come out on top.
     
    Plus maybe 10 person squads can crush the NY Metro team beef that has ensued
imunk0wn2u
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    Posted: Jul 29th 2009, 02:45 am
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  • I think we need to figure out how many squads there will be first  - i doubt we will have 8
mikevit
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    Posted: Jul 29th 2009, 02:54 am
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  • Here is my proposal for the format of the Beast of the East:
     
    8 Squads
    16 people per squad (8 "teams")
    based on the following i think we would need to have 20 tables available
     
    $100 per person to enter creating a total payout pot of $12,800

    1st place squad gets $9,600
         $600 to each player on the squad
    2nd place squad gets $2,800
         $175 to each player on the squad
    The remaining $400 can go to the MVP of the winning squad as decided on by his or her team.
         or it can just be added to the total payout of either first or second place.
     
    Round 1 (Prelims):
     
    This will serve essentially as a preliminary round.  Each Squad will randomly select 14 people out of their 16 to be placed into 7 doubles teams.  Then each team will play one best 2of3 match against a team from a different squad.  It will be formatted so that each of the Squads 7 teams will play a different Squad.  
     
    For example:
    Squad 1 Team1  vs. Squad 8 Team7
    Squad 1 Team2  vs. Squad 7 Team6
    Squad 1 Team3  vs. Squad 6 Team5
    Squad 1 Team4  vs. Squad 5 Team4
    Squad 1 Team5  vs. Squad 4 Team3
    Squad 1 Team6  vs. Squad 3 Team2
    Squad 1 Team7  vs. Squad 2 Team1
     
    This will result in 28 matches being played for a total of 56-84 games played.  However, since in theory all of these games could go on at once if there were enough tables this shouldn't take that long.  With 14 tables being used for the round, I would anticipate this being over within 90minutes.
     
    Overall Win/Loss would be used to determine ranking the Squads 1-8 with cup differential being the tie breaker.  If the W/L and cup differential are identical then head to head tiebreaker will come into play.
     
    Round 2:
     
    After the Squads are seeded 1-8 they will essentially be put into an 8 team single elimination bracket.
     
    In this round 15 of the 16 players on the team will be used.  The 2 players on each team not used in Round 1 will automatically be used in this round.  Of the 15 people randomly selected to participate in this round 10 will be used as doubles teams and 5 will be used for singles competition.  Each team and singles player will play one best 2of3 match against the opposing squad (teams to be determined randomly).  The team that wins the most matches will advance to the next round.
     
    In the event the teams are even at 5-5 there will be a tiebreaker.  Player #16 from one squad (the one not initially selected to participate in this round) will play a doubles match against Player #16 from the opposing squad.  Each player will have the choice of anyone on his/her squad to team up with.  The tie breaking match will be a best 2of3 match with the winning doubles team advancing their Squad to the next round.
     
    This will result in anywhere from 80-132 games.  Using 20 tables this should take 2hours at the most.  Again games can be played simultaneously and should only result in essentially 2 "rounds" of matches.
     
    Round 3 (Semifinals):
     
    This round will be formatted the same way as Round 2 with 15 of 16 players being randomly selected.
     
    The person that was not initially selected to play in Round 2 will automatically be in the "group of 15" whether the previous round went to a tiebreaker or not.  In the event the previous round went to a tiebreaker, the player that was hand picked to participate in the tiebreaker will not be eligible to be selected in the event this current round goes to a tiebreaker.  That player will however be eligible to participate in a tiebreaker should his squad advance to the finals.
     
    This round will have 40-66 total games played and if 20 tables are again used this round should last no more than an hour.
     
    Round 4 (Finals):
     
    The same format for the finals will be the same one used in the previous 2 rounds.  The only exception will be that in the event of a tiebreaker, it will be a best 3of5 match.
     
    This round will have 20-35 games played.  Assuming 5 or 6 tables are used, this also should take about an hour.
     
    I feel that this format is good because it allows for several things:
     
    1.  Depth is a necessity
    2.  Top players are still able to shine through
    3.  Combination of singles and doubles play adds an interesting twist.
    4.  Time is manageable 6-8hours if your Squad is in the finals.
    5.  The vast majority of people will play at least 4 games.
     
    Of course any and all feedback is greatly expected and appreciated.  I think i covered most points, but i may have overlooked some things.
defo
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    Posted: Jul 29th 2009, 06:07 am
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  • i didnt read that last post cause it was way to long an i have no patience, but i have to agree cause it looks like it was well thought out an i saw "12,000" in it... that is all
austin
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    Posted: Jul 29th 2009, 08:16 am
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  • "defo"
    i didnt read that last post cause it was way to long an i have no patience, but i have to agree cause it looks like it was well thought out an i saw "12,000" in it... that is all

    I actually read it which is amazing considering I haven't read a book all the way through in this decade.
     
    My thoughts are...
    1.) For $100 a person, it would be nice to have beer included.
     
    2.) I'm not digging the intentionally leaving players out of rounds thing. Again, a lot of money and a lot of traveling to have to sit out. What's the reasoning behind that? Why wouldn't you do 5 doubles - 6 singles so no one sits out and tie-breakers aren't ever needed?
     
    3.) I'm also not sold on having the singles matches be part of the event.
     
    4.) I assume the teams that play each other in the various rounds would be random?
     
    The format last year wasn't bad except it would have been much better with more tables. I feel like this proposed format wouldn't be too hard to run but would fall apart if squads weren't completely filled. I do like this format because it definitely emphasizes depth more than the last one did.
     
    So what squads are in? Maybe all the team captains should try and work out the final details because it's hard to navigate all these comments on the forum.
sauce1
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    Posted: Jul 29th 2009, 09:13 am
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  • Agreed with Austin the captains need to get in touch with eachother ...Navigating through all the coments is getting out of hand too many Indians no chiefs....  
     
    I think the only absolute definates that can fill are 16 person roster are the teams that already posted their squads
     
    1- LI (  Captain Defo and Pop )
    2-The New York wrecking crew ( Barry )
    3- MD  (Austin )
    4- NJ war machine ( Farley )The obvious favorite Ha Ha
     
    We have been dragging this out for a while now and if were doing it here i need a date to let Mcfaddens know ASAP.
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mikevit
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    Posted: Jul 29th 2009, 09:51 am
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  • Austin,
     
    1.  I agree that for $100 it would be nice to have beer for games included.  
     
    2.  The reasoning behind having there be 5 singles matches and 5 doubles matches per round was to have it set up so that theoretically a team could not advance to the next round without winning a doubles match-up.  Unfortunately this would require each team to have to sit someone out.  I suppose it would be just as easy to have 6 singles matches and 5 doubles matches.  
     
    3.  I think the singles matches add an interesting twist and emphasize depth.
     
    4.  Yes, teams the play each other in each round would be random.  Everything would be selected by the captains before each round.
imunk0wn2u
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    Posted: Jul 29th 2009, 09:53 am
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  • "sauce1"
    Agreed with Austin the captains need to get in touch with eachother ...Navigating through all the coments is getting out of hand too many Indians no chiefs....  
     
    I think the only absolute definates that can fill are 16 person roster are the teams that already posted their squads
     
    1- LI (  Captain Defo and Pop )
    2-The New York wrecking crew ( Barry )
    3- MD  (Austin )
    4- NJ war machine ( Farley )The obvious favorite Ha Ha
     
    We have been dragging this out for a while now and if were doing it here i need a date to let Mcfaddens know ASAP.

    we've been telling everyone on our squad the 19th....thought it was picked already.
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