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jeffbarnes
Joined: Jan 1st 1991, 12:00 am

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    Posted: Nov 13th 2009, 04:25 pm
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  • "NEB813"
    I think we arent looking at the bigger picture.  So far both WSOBP and WBPT have been focused on growing and marketing to the country better than the other, but the winner will be the first one of them to rope in the Global market.  WSOBP video had "players from canada" in small print and WBPT has the "World" in its name, but getting American players to travel overseas and the rest of the world to come to vegas will answer this question once in for all.  Think of all the places you would travel to play: Cancun, Oktoberfest, Ibiza-Spain, Australia, Ireland, and the possiblities are endless.  Which one will start giving away travel packages and then promoting this?  I know we are in a reccession and it might take 5+ yrs but there is your winner.

    I really hope you weren't being serious.
     
    First of all, I think you'll see companies like the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, etc. "expand" their worldwide brand when they think they can make money off of it. The NFL is playing a game each year in London to gauge the interest, and you can best believe it was economically viable they'd have a franchise over there in a heartbeat.
     
    There have been a few "international" tournaments which I am unable to comment on due to contractual obligations. One could make the argument that these tournaments were complete and total failures and that a lot of money was lost and there would be no argument.
     
    Sure, you could travel to Australia for a beer pong tournament. Spend a day getting there, and a day coming home. Wake up, play beer pong for 8 hours (maybe outside in the wind, how fun!) or play inside in some hotel which could just as easy be your neighborhood VFW. You could tell all your friends you went to Australia for a beer pong tournament, without getting to experience any of it.
     
    This is a terrible idea, which is why I think you aren't being serious.
     
    Without looking at the financials, I would guess that BPONG and WBPT lose money or just about break even with the large tournaments. There's just too much cost involved. The cost and logistics of organizing something overseas would be obscene.
NEB813
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    Posted: Nov 15th 2009, 07:33 am
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  • I only referenced the NFL as a model for some type of unified national sport of Beer Pong in the future.  Of course the NFL isnt going to work in europe, they play soccer.  Plus NFL europe was a bust as well so good luck to them on that.  I am sorry to hear that some overseas tournys didnt pan out .....yet.  It seems like a good time.
WBPT_Neil
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    Posted: Nov 18th 2009, 11:43 pm
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  • Hey guys,
     
    I wanted to write this on behalf of myself and Sam.
     
    First I wanted to thank everyone and note that we sincerely appreciate all the feedback and support provided by you guys, we obviously wouldn't be anywhere if it weren't for you; the die-hard beer pong enthusiasts.
     
    On the topic of switching from AC to Vegas:
     
    Basically, the costs in Atlantic City over the summer were way to high, there were so many unforeseen expenses that came up in AC that simply made it impossible to profit off of. So instead of canceling or moving it, we tried our best to make it successful from a non-financial standpoint so that we could break ground as another "official" high-stakes tournament besides the WSOBP every year. Which I strongly believe we accomplished.
     
    The costs of hosting an event in AC were so high that we were paying over 300 dollars per keg, and going through over 50 kegs, it began to get very expensive.  Another factor that severely influenced the change of venue/location would be hotel rooms.  The cost of Vegas rooms in the summer are significantly cheaper than AC.
     
    After considering all of our options, we decided that the only way we could host another large-scale tournament and not lose money on it, would be to switch to Vegas.
     
    Sam and I both understand how majority of our players reside along the east cost and many of you cannot afford to travel to Vegas twice a year for major tournaments, that is why we are working so hard to host hundreds of qualifiers before the event to assure teams getting into the Vegas Championship without worrying about large expenses except for airfare (which currently round trip tickets to Vegas in the summer are going for under $200 via Kayak.com).
     
    Also: due to the feedback experienced on this site and the large amount of players preferring a large east coast tourney, we are in the process of working on a $10k or even $25k tournament back on the east coast, probably in the fall of 2010 or spring of 2011.  We will have more information regarding this event at our Vegas championship in June and on our website as soon as details are finalized.
     
    As far as the Vegas event is concerned: we have listened to every players feedback on how AC went and we are implementing several new ideas and formats that will assure more organization and control during every stage of the tournament.
     
    On the main focus of this thread: BPONG vs WBPT
     
    I'm not sure exactly where Billy, Duncan and Skinny stand on this, but this is how we feel. Obviously we are two beer pong companies, appealing to the same demographic, and hosting the only major beer pong tournaments in the world, and now in the same location: Vegas. From a definition standpoint, we are competitors.
     
    Having that being said, the World Beer Pong Tour isn't focused on stealing customers or profits from BPONG.com.  Our major focus is making Beer Pong an official sport and furthering the game. We want this on TV just like wrestling or mixed martial arts or even football and basketball.
     
    We are in no way trying to bash BPONG, discredit them in any way, or infringe on their profits. I had the pleasure of meeting Skinny when they had a tour in Buffalo and he's a hell of a guy. He even said himself, they are in no way trying to hurt us at all. We're just two companies trying to do our thing to further the sport and seize the lucrative opportunities it has to offer.
     
    Hopefully this post was able to answer any questions or clear up any confusion that may be lingering among the beer pong community. Feel free to hit me or Sam up if you guys have any questions or suggestions.
     
    -Neil Kapoor
    World Beer Pong Tour, LLC
    neilk@worldpongtour.com
    716.830.4020
    http://www.worldpongtour.com  
     
teamclutch1
Joined: Apr 23rd 2008, 06:24 pm

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    Posted: Nov 19th 2009, 08:55 pm
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  • Neil I totally agree with where you're coming from and for anyone to think that The World Pong Tour is somehow trying to subvert BPONG is kind of ludacris. You are both just pioneers in the world of this game whose main goal is to turn this thing into a sport. To give it increased legitimacy and press. That being said, you both have your pros and cons.
     
    Bpong organizes the biggest tournament in the country every year, and they generate the most press for the game/sport, however, I think World Pong Tour is intregal in the fact that they account for more tournies than BPong does. While quality in a tournament is a huge deal the sheer quantity of World Pong Tour events, is a huge tool to bring new talent and attention to the game.
     
    On the topis of the Atlantic City Tournament, I would like to say two things.
     
    1. Some people are caught up in comparing The $25k Atlantic City Championship with the World Series of Beer Pong and that is nearly a fair challenge. World Pong Tour's event was pretty amazing. I But you have to compare it with the First WSOBP because it is World Pong Tour's furst event. They will experience the same growing pains as BPONG did and by the time World Pong Tour reaches its fourth or fifth event it will be on par with the current world series in I'd imagine every way.
     
    2. If moving to Vegas means you get to have a bigger better, more well press covered championship tournament, why would anyone complain. Save some of that blackjack money in January for a plane ticket for June.Its as easy as that. Its about pong.
     

     
    That is all either company is trying to do is better this game and make it grow, and for all of us who love it, that should be the only thing we care about. So props To Bpong and Props To The World Pong Tour. Keep on Cupping!
     
    Mike
WBPT_Neil
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 10:11 am
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  • Thanks Mike,
     
    I appreciate the feedback, anyone else?!?
jeffbarnes
Joined: Jan 1st 1991, 12:00 am

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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 11:03 am
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  • "WBPT_Neil"
    Thanks Mike,
     
    I appreciate the feedback, anyone else?!?

    Neil, I was just wondering how you were able to escape from the Woodshed? That's where we put you in Atlantic City...
drellis123
Joined: Oct 5th 2007, 07:12 am

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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 02:32 pm
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  • "WBPT_Neil"
    Thanks Mike,
     
    I appreciate the feedback, anyone else?!?

     
    Neil, I know the true reason you swtiched from AC to Vegas was the quality of hookers. In AC EVERYTHING was sketchy. I swear stray cats ruled the boardwalk at night. The crazy people pushing you around in carts seemed to have alternative methods. The food tasted two months old. I doubt the change had anything to do with the WSOBP being in vegas. I'm sure you saw it  as a better place to travel and a venue more people would enjoy.
WBPT_Neil
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 05:03 pm
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  • "jeffbarnes"
    "WBPT_Ne
    Thanks Mike,
     
    I appreciate the feedback, anyone else?!?

    Neil, I was just wondering how you were able to escape from the Woodshed? That's where we put you in Atlantic City...

    Hey Barnes what ever happened to that 1 on 1 in philly! we're gonna have to do it in vegas sir.
sauce1
Joined: Jun 15th 2009, 07:58 pm

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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 05:35 pm
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  • $300 for a keg is fucking insane and I understand why you guys had to move it.  
    Out of curiosity did you guys check any other locations on the east coast?  Convention centers in some of the large cities or even Hotels that have large ball rooms?  Or was it important to have it somewhere affiliated to a casino ?  
allstar1579
Joined: Aug 21st 2009, 04:41 pm

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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 07:23 pm
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  • "sauce1"
    $300 for a keg is fucking insane and I understand why you guys had to move it.  
    Out of curiosity did you guys check any other locations on the east coast?  Convention centers in some of the large cities or even Hotels that have large ball rooms?  Or was it important to have it somewhere affiliated to a casino ?  

    Good point, I was just thinking this the other day when Barnes mentioned that the host city wasn't as much of the draw as the Tourney itself. Somewhere fairly central on the East Coast, like Bmore/Philly-ish, maybe even Dover could be a good spot at like a big convention type hotel.
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