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fresh302
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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 03:42 pm
    Post subject: Maryland Rebuttal Rules

  • i personally love the shoot till you miss rule, but after seeing 5, 7, and then the video of 14OTs...i def started to understand why the WSOBP used their rebuttal rule. however, i would hate to see the shoot till you miss rule go away. What if you kept the shoot till you miss rebuttal rule and came up with a way to limit the number of OTs with a sudden death style play.
     
    After a max number of OTs have been played, you set up one cup on each side of the table......If team A makes it and team B misses, then team A wins. If team A misses and Team B makes it, team B wins. If both teams make it, you rotate partners and go again untill someone wins.
     
    What do you think???
jeffbarnes
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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 03:47 pm
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  • "Moose324"
    I completely disagree with u Jeff I think this is the only rule that wsobp needs to change. Anyways how is your team mate going to carry you ( Jeff )  after you miss your rebuttal shot and the games over? Also as soon as you lose a game because Adam or whoever u play with missed a shot your gonna want to blame him for your lost.  The way the rules are set up now you both have a chance to decide your fate. If we change the rules and you lose a huge game because your teammate missed a shot your going to want to change the rule right back.

    I'm not sure if this is a diss against me but I'm going to take it as such. You can say all you want that my partner carries me, but I am pretty nasty on rebuttal shots. I don't think there's a person on here who plays with me regularly that will disagree.
     
    As far as blaming Adam, I'm going to do that no matter what. It's fun to yell at him, even if we lose. I can't tell you how many times I was about to punch him in the face in Vegas. Each game is a fresh start.
     
    Since the WSOBP rules aren't going to change, and because we are the only *legit* league that I know of that plays each person shoot until you miss, I think it makes sense to streamline our rules with the WSOBP. My idea for the rules change isn't because I lost a game, I just think overall the talent level has gotten better. We're having games take 20 minutes now.
     
    With the WSOBP rules, both players still have the chance to decide their fate, they just have to do it as a team.
sfoster
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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 04:07 pm
    Post subject: Maryland Rebuttal Rules

  • There are things about STM that I like, and there are things that I dislike.
    I find myself divided on the issue, but I'm certain there have been a LOT more overtimes this year.
     
    With a limit of 3 cups a turn, players are unable to pull as far ahead now.
    This makes the cup differential significantly smaller when last cup is hit..
     
    And then with STM for each player, and fewer cups remaining, OT is raging out of control.
    It's not STM that is necessarily the problem, it's the combination of STM with a 3 cup turn limit.
ThePeoplesChamp
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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 04:25 pm
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  • The rebuttal rule should change to be aligned with the WSOBP.  The end goal for the top tier teams is to win a National Championship, not a state title.  With the rule differential it makes it difficult to adjust when you are at the world series and the pressure is intensified exponentially.  Most of the top teams are players of habit and have their own routines.  it doesn't make sense to have to adjust the routine in the biggest tournament of the year.
     

    The rule is going to change, and it's going to change soon.  All in favor of the rule amendment can thank Jim "The Sidewinder" Reeter.  Before Dixie Normous was Dixie Mantled, Austin wouldnt have agreed to a rule change.  The Peoples' Chimp would have never relied solely on Jim's left arm to take the last shot of a big game.  Both ego and a disparity in talent between the two shooters play into this.  Now that Austin has all but been removed from the competitive beer pong scene in Maryland, there is no reason to keep the current rule.  Look for the change to occur before the Summer League.
     

    #1 in the State
    #1 in the State Rankings
    #1 in the Peoples' Poll
    #1 in the Barnyard
    #1 in the Winter League
    #1 in the Spring League
    #1 in the Summer League
    #1 in the MD's Crown Jewel
    #1 in Wildcards' Poll
    #1 in your hearts
     
    1/2 of Wet Ballz,
    ~The Peoples' Champ
     
    Post Script - Thought this was funny/worth sharing when I heard it.  Sorry James.
     
    "Yea so, I guess im not even going to Atlantic City now.  Austin is playing with Foster.  Whatever, I guess they can both get nervous and choke together"
        ~Jim "Salty Sidewinder" Reeter
      
jeffbarnes
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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 04:46 pm
    Post subject: Maryland Rebuttal Rules

  • "ThePeoplesChamp"
    The rebuttal rule should change to be aligned with the WSOBP.  The end goal for the top tier teams is to win a National Championship, not a state title.  With the rule differential it makes it difficult to adjust when you are at the world series and the pressure is intensified exponentially.  Most of the top teams are players of habit and have their own routines.  it doesn't make sense to have to adjust the routine in the biggest tournament of the year.
     
     
    The rule is going to change, and it's going to change soon.  All in favor of the rule amendment can thank Jim "The Sidewinder" Reeter.  Before Dixie Normous was Dixie Mantled, Austin wouldnt have agreed to a rule change.  The Peoples' Chimp would have never relied solely on Jim's left arm to take the last shot of a big game.  Both ego and a disparity in talent between the two shooters play into this.  Now that Austin has all but been removed from the competitive beer pong scene in Maryland, there is no reason to keep the current rule.  Look for the change to occur before the Summer League.
     
     
    #1 in the State
    #1 in the State Rankings
    #1 in the Peoples' Poll
    #1 in the Barnyard
    #1 in the Winter League
    #1 in the Spring League
    #1 in the Summer League
    #1 in the MD's Crown Jewel
    #1 in Wildcards' Poll
    #1 in your hearts
     
    1/2 of Wet Ballz,
    ~The Peoples' Champ
     
    Post Script - Thought this was funny/worth sharing when I heard it.  Sorry James.
     
    "Yea so, I guess im not even going to Atlantic City now.  Austin is playing with Foster.  Whatever, I guess they can both get nervous and choke together"
        ~Jim "Salty Sidewinder" Reeter
      

    Yeah, from my understanding it's not a matter of if, but when, the rule is changed.
10cupsatatimeme
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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 05:27 pm
    Post subject: Maryland Rebuttal Rules

  • "jeffbarnes"
    "Moose324"
    I completely disagree with u Jeff I think this is the only rule that wsobp needs to change. Anyways how is your team mate going to carry you ( Jeff )  after you miss your rebuttal shot and the games over? Also as soon as you lose a game because Adam or whoever u play with missed a shot your gonna want to blame him for your lost.  The way the rules are set up now you both have a chance to decide your fate. If we change the rules and you lose a huge game because your teammate missed a shot your going to want to change the rule right back.

    I'm not sure if this is a diss against me but I'm going to take it as such. You can say all you want that my partner carries me, but I am pretty nasty on rebuttal shots. I don't think there's a person on here who plays with me regularly that will disagree.
     
    As far as blaming Adam, I'm going to do that no matter what. It's fun to yell at him, even if we lose. I can't tell you how many times I was about to punch him in the face in Vegas. Each game is a fresh start.
     
    Since the WSOBP rules aren't going to change, and because we are the only *legit* league that I know of that plays each person shoot until you miss, I think it makes sense to streamline our rules with the WSOBP. My idea for the rules change isn't because I lost a game, I just think overall the talent level has gotten better. We're having games take 20 minutes now.
     
    With the WSOBP rules, both players still have the chance to decide their fate, they just have to do it as a team.

     
    Jeff is a legit rebuttal player. Get it right Moose. In the game against Wet Ballz he hit 5 rebuttals and then I hit the last cup. Thanks Jeff.
     
    And yes, Jeff will rip me any chance he has. It can be brutal at times but I take it. Hahaha
sfoster
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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 07:52 pm
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  • I sense an end to the wet ballz "dynasty" (if there ever was one  Not precisely )
     
    Without Jamie in STM on rebuttal it's going to change their entire game.
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ThePeoplesChamp
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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 10:53 pm
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  • "sfoster"
    I sense an end to the wet ballz "dynasty" (if there ever was one  Not precisely )
     
    Without Jamie in STM on rebuttal it's going to change their entire game.

    Shawn -
     
    You should definitely hope that's the case.  Perhaps you will be able to win a tournament that I've played in after the rebuttal rule changes.  You are currently 0 for in tournaments that featured The Peoples' Champ.  Unfortunately  for you, I don't think collecting our losing brackets counts as a tournament win. (Unless Austin changes that rule as well)
     

     
    Considering the fact that Jamie and I have shot one rebuttal shot in 17 wins in the last two State Championships and finished top 10 twice at the WSOBP, I dont think it will have too big of an impact, but you never know.  Until then, the face of MDBeerpong still wears pastel polo's and size 16 womens' jeans.
     

     
    #1 in the State
    #1 in the State Rankings
    #1 in the Peoples' Poll
    #1 in the Barnyard
    #1 in the Winter League
    #1 in the Spring League
    #1 in the Summer League
    #1 in MD's Crown Jewel
    #1 in Wildcards' Poll
    #1 in your hearts
     
    1/2 of Wet Ballz,
    ~The Peoples' Champ
juzam139
Joined: Jan 1st 1991, 12:00 am

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    Posted: Apr 1st 2009, 11:17 pm
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  • Honestly I like the STM.  But I understand the reasoning behind changing it with all the Overtimes.  I think MDbeerpong should keep shoot till you miss, but make OT sudden death.  Once last cup is hit, automatic game over.  This is how the WSOB I and II were which kinda sucked, but whatever, shoot better then.  
     
    Even if a team hits 10 rebuttal cups via STM, the team that hit last cup first starts with both balls and if everyone is so good, they should be able to run it out and win with no rebuttals in OT.  This would curb the amount of OT's and still give people the feeling like they had a shot to win it.  Or if you want, still keep it sudden death, but have 4 cup overtime so the other team would still get a turn in OT with the 3 cup limit but then the other team could still win it on last cup.  Or another scenario would be to rearrange the triangle 3 cup OT formation to say 3 side by side by side cups (basically shooting at 3 last cups).  This would make things slightly more difficult.  I think changing the OT rules would be better than getting rid of STM.
     
    The one thing STM guards against is some team that is not better than you that hits 10 cups in a row and you shoot 70% and are on the verge of a loss, you at least have got a shot to tie it yourself.  I think the Montreal guy said STM favors the better teams because the chances of a shitty team hitting 4 cups in a row is slim to none as opposed to a good team and that makes a lot of sense too.  
     
    One more interesting scenario which I don't think has been brought up is if have the current WSOB rebuttal rules, but if the first person misses, the second teammate gets a chance to start the string of hitting the cups and then each shot thereafter must be alternated.  This way, even if your partner misses, you can't blame the loss on them cuz you had a shot at it too.  
     
    Either, way, I'll still play in MDbeerpong because it is ran so well and has some of the best competition in the country so it will make me a better player for the WSOB irregardless of the rules.
imunk0wn2u
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    Posted: Apr 2nd 2009, 03:27 am
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  • "juzam139"

     
    The one thing STM guards against is some team that is not better than you that hits 10 cups in a row and you shoot 70% and are on the verge of a loss, you at least have got a shot to tie it yourself.  I think the Montreal guy said STM favors the better teams because the chances of a shitty team hitting 4 cups in a row is slim to none as opposed to a good team and that makes a lot of sense too.  
     

    I hate when people say this, and it's no disrespect to you or anyone else at all, but it seems that everyone is trying to change the rules to ensure the "better" team wins. I've heard best of 3 series, changing the type of cups, keeping STM. Unfortunately, in sports and things alike, UPSETS happen. If a team that is clearly not better than you shoots 10 in a row, well, yea it sucks, but they had it that game, you didn't. You weren't able to step it up that game, or keep up that game, it sucks, but off to the losers bracket you go. I've been in games where we were dominating, up by 7, and for some reason, we just start CHOKING, the other team catches up and wins. For some reason, on THAT game, we didn't step it up and they just caught a lucky break. It happens, and you can't really instill rules that are going to prevent that.
     
    On a side note - i think you guys should start playing WSOBP rules because, as jeff said I believe, it trains you for that next level of pressure. Depending on how that last cup is hit, you don't have that 2nd shot. You need to make this 1, and you need to make it now. Why not practice dealing with that pressure so when you get on the national stage, you can some how cope with it.
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