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sfoster
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 09:54 am
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  • "jeffbarnes"
    1. Foster is so meticulous in his stat-tracking, how does this not get caught?
     
    I can see both sides here. But, replaying the game is the right thing to do.

    1) That stupid bar is so fucking hot that I wore different pants, had inferior pockets, and left my cell phone in the car. It was a perfect storm of things coming together here.
     
    ugh.
austin
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 09:57 am
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  • "sfoster"
    "austin"
    It might be a tainted victory for Shawn and Joey and maybe one day it will have an asterisk in the record books, but is it really fair to replay the game?

    Is it fair not to?
     
    it's not about a mistake that allowed a team to score more points, because they don't have more points. In fact we have the SAME NUMBER, and therefore there is no winner.
     
    Personally, like mitch, I am a good person/sport and would offer a rematch.
    I guess it just depends on what kind of people Joey and Shawn want to be known as.

    Sean - I know you're not much of a sports fan, but a similar occurrence happened in a Ravens game versus the Cleveland Browns back in 2007. The Browns, down by 3 with time for one last play, kicked a field goal which bounced off the goal post's support bar and then bounced out. The ruling on the field was that the field goal was no good, they declared the Ravens the winners, and the team started to head back to the locker room. The refs had made the wrong call, the filed goal should have counted, but then when they discovered they made a mistake, they called the Ravens back on the field to play over time. In the end, the Browns won in overtime. In this situation, the Browns had nothing to lose. They thought they had lost the game and then got an opportunity to go out and reclaim the game. On the flip side, the Ravens had everything to lose because they thought they had won the game, left the field, and then were told that they had to go back out and play again.  I hope you can see how mentally there is a difference.
     
    The reason I'm bringing this up is because it closely resembles Saturday's situation. Joey and Shawn would be the Ravens. They were declared winners, they went home, and then discovered a mistake was made. Sean and Mitch on the other hand would be the Browns. You guys lost the match, discovered a mistake, and now would have a chance to reclaim the win after defeat.
     
    In the case of the Ravens game it really was the refs fault. They should have known the rules and made the right call on the field. I was the tournament official; if you want to blame the mistake on me, I'll accept responsibility. However, I'm more of an arbiter for disputes since I can't be everywhere at once. I make sure the tournament is running smoothly and correctly but generally it's the responsibility of the teams to make sure the rules of individual games are followed. Usually I can assume with 4 seasoned players that this will happen.
     
    So bottom line, I'll accept responsibility for the mistake. I don't think it's fair to play an official rematch though just because the tournament is over. Asking Joey and Shawn to replay the game isn't fair to them even if they got a little help. I say everyone should just learn from the mistake and move on.
     
    Just remember that it's not always the best team that wins. It's the team that wins the bracket under the circumstances of that particular day.
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austin
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 10:01 am
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  • "sfoster"
    That is not a WIN and if you THINK it is then you're either a scumbag for stealing my money, a coward for refusing to replay without cheating, or both.

    Technically, it wasn't your money. And also, they did hit all the cups, you guys hit 1 cup twice, the last cup 0 times, and every other cup once. Just playing devil's advocate.
sfoster
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 10:06 am
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  • "austin"
    Asking Joey and Shawn to replay the game isn't fair to them

    I feel pretty genuinely that mitch and I would both agree to a rematch if the situation were reversed. In my mind, this makes the request fair.
     
    I'm not saying this because we lost, and I think my behavior in the past will attest to those sort of principles. I have always behaved fairly, even if it is to my own disadvantage. And in some ways this becomes unfair that we are willing to extend a courtesy that is not returned.
     
    But yes, the first thing I told mitch after he brought this to my attention was that we wouldn't be able to get a rematch.
     
    But, I needed to at let the situation play itself out anyway.
    And hey we got a few pages out of this and some good tuesday morning material.
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sfoster
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 10:08 am
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  • "austin"
    Technically, it wasn't your money.

    Okay, okay. my "theoretical" money.
sfoster
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 10:11 am
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  • "austin"
    Sean - I know you're not much of a sports fan, but a similar occurrence happened in a Ravens game versus the Cleveland Browns back in 2007. The Browns, down by 3 with time for one last play, kicked a field goal which bounced off the goal post's support bar and then bounced out. The ruling on the field was that the field goal was no good, they declared the Ravens the winners, and the team started to head back to the locker room. The refs had made the wrong call, the filed goal should have counted, but then when they discovered they made a mistake, they called the Ravens back on the field to play over time.

    Austin this actually sounds more like it supports the idea of a rematch?
    This is closer in precedence than any other examples we've discussed.
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austin
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 10:14 am
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  • "sfoster"
    Austin this actually sounds more like it supports the idea of a rematch?
    This is closer in precedence than any other examples we've discussed.

    It was more of an analogy. If both teams left the field and the refs figured out their mistake a day later, the NFL would have sent out an apology letter to the Browns and that would be it.
     
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 10:16 am
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  • "austin"
    It was more of an analogy. If both teams left the field and the refs figured out their mistake a day later, the NFL would have sent out an apology letter to the Browns and that would be it.

    God that was a shitty tournament
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jeffbarnes
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    Posted: Apr 20th 2009, 10:18 am
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  • "austin"

     
    I'm more of an arbiter for disputes since I can't be everywhere at once. I make sure the tournament is running smoothly and correctly but generally it's the responsibility of the teams to make sure the rules of individual games are followed. Usually I can assume with 4 seasoned players that this will happen.
     

    Garrett would NEVER have allowed this to happen
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