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dwissbrun2
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    Posted: Jun 15th, 03:43 pm
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  • "skinny"
    I have a recollection of us discussing laser pointers at some point, and I thought that we had written the rules to specifically exclude any distraction that used light to limit someones ability to view the cups (laser pointers, flash photography, etc). I don't see that in the rules, so that is now on my list of edits.

    i definitely remember the conversation.  i could have sworn it was put in the rules too.  good one to have though.
sauce1
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    Posted: Jun 15th, 08:42 pm
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  • "austin"
    "mikevit"
    Just being an elite or semi-elite player doesn't make you impervious to distraction.  It depends on the mental make up of the person in question.  Some people (you for example) say they shoot better with distractions.  I think you would agree that you also consider Foster at least a semi elite player.  As amazing as he can shoot, I watched several games (I think the ones he had in mind when he made this post) where he had an opponent yelling and screaming at him and it caused him not to play to the level that he can.  

    Yeah I know what he's saying. I really think a world-wide ban on "props" that I think Paul from Hands of God brought up a while back is a good idea.
     
    I was joking about the camera stuff but "flash defense" should definitely be outlawed. I think you should be able to move your hands, jump around (on solid floors), clap, do whatever you want to distract your opponent. But I don't think you should be able to use cups or phones or any of the other props I saw people using as a distraction.
     
    So how about it? Worldwide ban on props?

     
    Foster I feel like this forum was somewhat directed at me for my several games against you.  
    My personal opinion is that you are definately one of the top players in AC and if a player can expose your weakness in your game and utilize against you  then why not.  
     
    I did not use any props other then my obnoxious yell and to be quite frank if any one rule was in question it should be wether or not you can cross the invisible back line which you did a number of times.  Be prepared for a second dose this weekend when I make the commute with a new partner down to MD.  By the way if you need your stats for that game you missed 9 shots in a row.
     
    Kessler-  
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sfoster
Joined: Nov 30th 2007, 06:29 am

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    Posted: Jun 15th, 08:48 pm
    Post subject: Poor Sportsmanship or Part of the Game

  • "sauce1"
    Foster I feel like this forum was somewhat directed at me for my several games against you.  
    My personal opinion is that you are definately one of the top players in AC and if a player can expose your weakness in your game and utilize against you  then why not.  
     
    I did not use any props other then my obnoxious yell and to be quite frank if anyone rule was in question it should be wether or not you can cross the invisible back line which you did a number of times.  Be prepared for a second dose this weekend when I make the commute with a new partner down to MD.
     
    Kessler-

    I think you had fine sportsmanship and I didn't harbor any bad feelings after our game was over.
     
    I kept my legs behind the table, and I never put my arms over it, since they were out to the side. I'm not trying to cheat anyone, and I asked for a ref after you brought it up so I could consult with them.
     
    from what he said he thought it wasn't allowed, but he wasn't sure and I've had plenty of wrong callings by refs at the world series in the past. So who knows.
     
    In my honest opinion I believe it was within the rule, but I stopped at the refs request without trying to go up the chain of command.
     
    The main point of this thread isn't to call anyone out or to have it directed at you, although I admit you definitely threw me off my game.
     
    I just wanted to bring this to the attention of MD players.
    Everyone here seems to agree that distractions are a part of the game. And that being the case, I don't understand why none of us try to use distractions.
     
    Our game I started trying to distract you back, but I was pretty much backed into a corner.
    I was dead in the water, and my only hope to keep Austin in the game was to stop you guys from hitting  cups as well.
     
    Austin was shooting so well and I didn't want to be the reason for him to lose.
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sfoster
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    Posted: Jun 15th, 08:53 pm
    Post subject: Poor Sportsmanship or Part of the Game

  • "sauce1"
    By the way if you need your stats for that game you missed 9 shots in a row.

    Yes. You know what.
     
    There was a certain point in that game.. probably after the 9th miss, where I had a suddenly realization. Oh my god! I've turned into Jim. Haha.
     
    Then I finally started hitting some shots.
     
    That's awesome that you're coming down to MD.
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gshunt
Joined: Oct 25th 2008, 12:50 pm

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    Posted: Jun 15th, 08:57 pm
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  • I was not at the AC tournament, but I would be very interested in learning what this rules dispute considering an invisible line was?  Just wondering what all it entails as from the previous conversation in the thread I am unclear as to what transpired.  Simply don't want to be caught unawares if something similar were to occur at say WSOBP V.  Much thanks to either Foster or Kessler if they can shed further light on the situation.
sfoster
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    Posted: Jun 15th, 08:59 pm
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  • gshunt - stand behind the table.
     
    step 2 feet to the right, and then raise your arms out in front of you
sfoster
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    Posted: Jun 15th, 09:03 pm
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  • "sauce1"
    My personal opinion is that you are definately one of the top players in AC

    Haha yes I bet it was quite the contrast when we played in the practice game without you yelling.
    Mostly I think I just embarrasesd myself in AC.
     
    It's my personal opinion that you have fucked with my game more than any other player lol
    I'll buy you a shot when you come down to MD
gshunt
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    Posted: Jun 15th, 09:07 pm
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  • I'm assuming you did this as a distraction then?  Since as a shot I'm pretty sure it is completely allowable to stand off to the side behind the plane of the table with regards to one's body and shoot with your arms crossing the plane.  As a distraction I can see the argument for illegality though.
     
    Thanks for clarifying btw.
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mikevit
Joined: Apr 30th 2008, 06:59 am

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    Posted: Jun 15th, 09:14 pm
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  • "sfoster"
    "sauce1"

     
    It's my personal opinion that you have fucked with my game more than any other player lol
    I'll buy you a shot when you come down to MD

    Wait shouldn't you get yourself a shot first?
     
    jk couldn't resist that one
sauce1
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    Posted: Jun 15th, 09:43 pm
    Post subject: Poor Sportsmanship or Part of the Game

  • "sfoster"
    gshunt - stand behind the table.
     
    step 2 feet to the right, and then raise your arms out in front of you

    I do not know what the exact rules state however I was under the assumption that no body part could cross the line even if off to the side.  Needless to say I am not bitching at all was just Fn arround.  You were cold that game but my partner was an Iceberg and thats the reason we lost.  Oh well it was a lot of fun.
     
    I do agree with your one statement about you MD kids playing gentlemens rules.
    I played several of you through out the day and none of you guys used tactics.
     
    However I used them to the extreme and it was throwing not only you off but Mantis ( he was 0-3 ) and a kid Brian I beat once in sit go's.... .... Also during our first 11 we gave Mccalisters their only loss which should not of happened.  Hopefully i'll make the trip this Friday for a rematch. If not their is a tourny on Sat July 11th in Philly $1200 pot pass the word.
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