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c2viruz
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    Posted: Dec 7th 2008, 01:54 pm
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  • Think you could get the .pdf files up quickly?  I'd like to go to Kinkos and blow that shit up and hang it on my wall as soon as possible like the 'Quick Rules for WSOBP III"
skinny
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    Posted: Dec 8th 2008, 08:49 pm
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  • Workin on this now...should be up by tomorrow morning...
shocker2155
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    Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 12:25 am
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  • I am not sure if this has been discussed before but there are two things that stand out that I have taken notice of:
     
    1.  It would be nice if there were fill lines on the cups.  Some teams like to use 1/4 - 1/3 of the pitcher.  This blows b/c I think we all know lighter cups are slightly harder to make because they often almost tilt over and send the ball onward.  If you don't want the beer, don't drink it, but please pour it.
     
    2.  Secondly,  I think it is pretty cheap to distract with WSOBP cups.  For example, you are shooting on the last cup, and the opposing team is holding and waving a wsobp cup right behind your final cup, but not crossing the plane.  This is pretty dirty, the cups should stay on the table, since they are part of the table according to rules.
     
    Questions:
     
    Best of 3 was awesome for determining final bracket teams, that still in effect?
     
    I am one of the guys who tilts cups when I shoot.  I always immediately fix them.  But, is the rule as simple as no touching, or no moving.  If no moving, to what extent?  IDK what brought about this rule, but I had no bad experiences with it.
     
    Thanks,
     
    rezent
     

     
skinny
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    Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 09:57 am
    Post subject: Important: Final Rules for WSOBP IV

  • "shocker2155"
    I am not sure if this has been discussed before but there are two things that stand out that I have taken notice of:
     
    1.  It would be nice if there were fill lines on the cups.  Some teams like to use 1/4 - 1/3 of the pitcher.  This blows b/c I think we all know lighter cups are slightly harder to make because they often almost tilt over and send the ball onward.  If you don't want the beer, don't drink it, but please pour it.
     
    2.  Secondly,  I think it is pretty cheap to distract with WSOBP cups.  For example, you are shooting on the last cup, and the opposing team is holding and waving a wsobp cup right behind your final cup, but not crossing the plane.  This is pretty dirty, the cups should stay on the table, since they are part of the table according to rules.
     
    Questions:
     
    Best of 3 was awesome for determining final bracket teams, that still in effect?
     
    I am one of the guys who tilts cups when I shoot.  I always immediately fix them.  But, is the rule as simple as no touching, or no moving.  If no moving, to what extent?  IDK what brought about this rule, but I had no bad experiences with it.
     
    Thanks,
     
    rezent
     
     
     

    1. The situation you've described is relatively rare when compared to the times i've seen the ball enter the cup, start spinning, and then knock the cup over as the ball comes flying out. I know for certain that I always make sure that the cups are as full as reasonably possible to ensure they don't get knocked over.
     
    2. Cheap? Perhaps, but I don't think we can dictate that people not do it. The WSOBP cups are used throughout the tournament, so a person could easily just be carrying around a personal, and use that as a distraction. The intent of the rules is to say that whenever a cup is sitting on the table, it is part of the game. Holding a cup behind the table is really no different than holding your penis (except that your cup is obviously much larger than your penis) behind the table.
     
    3. There is no best of three. The reviews on this were mixed last year, so we did away with it. The top 32 teams make it straight into a double-elim bracket, so everyone else just needs to step up.
     
    4. Sorry that there's been confusion on this, but the rules allow you to bump into cups and tilt them. You can not move them out of the way with your hand, and must reset them after your lean is done, but you can lean as far as you want (just so long as you dont knock the cup over of course).
     
    -skinny
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shocker2155
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    Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 12:10 pm
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  • Thanks for the quick response skinny and clearing up some of my confusion.
     
    As far as low beer, I wasn't only talking about the rare swirling cup ball flinging out thing.  I just notice that it is a little more difficult to make less filled cups altogether, except on like a ten rack.  This is probably due to the fact that our team has more of a rocket shot vs a lob.  I was wondering if other people ran into the same situation last year.  Is there any sort of requirement for this?  Can you request that no beer be left in the pitcher and that the teams use enough, or is it solely up to them?  I noticed this on day 3 last year, I think teams were trying to avoid getting drunk, cups were filled 1/2 of what the water cups were.
     

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skinny
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    Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 12:36 pm
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  • First off, please note that participants are never required to used beer in their cups. Players can use water in all cups for all games.
     
    Secondly, just to clarify, if the ball goes in the cup, swirls around, and then knocks the cup over, its a hit cup, even if the ball comes out. Therefore, I think it's a disadvantage for players to underfill their cups.
     
    Regardless, I don't see it feasible to regulate liquid levels this year.
pandemonium2
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    Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 03:03 pm
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  • water or beer when im playing with WSOBP cups i usually just fill it right to the bottom of the logo....
     
    i dont get too many of the spin out or knock over problems when its that full....
     

    GLAD to see ur coming again rezent...we played u last year in the prelims and i remember getting stuck on the four rack with 3 in the back and the loner in the front.....
     
    playing with a new partner this year so i wont be pandemonium, our team name is 1/2 & 1/2
     
    Lester
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    Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 03:40 pm
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  • V) A) 2) On day three, possession and table side will be chosen by the team with the superior rank in prelims. In the event of a tie (two teams with the same win-loss record and Cup Differential Per Game), a coin toss will determine who chooses to shoot.
     
    Skinny I still think you guys should consider an exception for this rule in the championship match(es) and make it a coin flip. Otherwise you'll have the same team start off with an advantage in both games back to back.
     
    Also the team that has gone undefeated in day 3 could be put at a disadvantage in the finals against a team that has already lost a match. It's strange to give the game advantage to the losers bracket team.
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shocker2155
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    Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 03:58 pm
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  • i'm not worried about cups getting knocked over... i guess nobody else really notices a problem with it... no big deal... i also fill to aprx bottom of the logo every game.
     
    pandemonium... i don't remember any prelim games lol.. thanks for getting stuck on a rack tho.. happens to us a lot... on the 3 rack haha... good luck this year.
nvelissa
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    Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 05:14 pm
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  • hey guys.  i dont bitch on here about anything but this is kind of rediculous.  the rules, cups, tables, and balls are great.  so is the format.  
     
    the one thing that is awful is the use of roman numerals for WSOBP IV.  at my house and bars we play at we only use regular numbers like 4.  
     
    i think this greatly effects the game and if you guys plan on making this tourney a true best of the best, i think this needs to change.  i realize that the roman numerals have been used in every world series for the past three years, but seriously...a IV.  come on guys.  what do you guys think?
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