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solidgold
Joined: Aug 16th 2007, 09:15 am

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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 03:42 pm
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  • Foster.. first of all I think your numbers are completely inaccurate. 58.5% is some of the best shooting you see at the WSOBP. I don't believe that can be achieved by randomly throwing at a 3 rack. Second of all.. even if these numbers were right, there isn't enough of a difference in the percentages of the two cups  to warrant a change.
     
    I can see what you are trying to say.( I just don't agree with your numbers.) It sucks playing teams that are making cups they are clearly not aiming for. In the end; don't you win those games 95% of the time? I do. I know when it comes down to the last two cups, I have the advantage of actually aiming.
sfoster
Joined: Nov 30th 2007, 06:29 am

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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 03:43 pm
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  • "travis14"
    foster just throwing this out there. But some people dont go in order when they shoot cups like you. I dont randomly throw the ball in the air, i aim for certain cups but i do not start off with the front cup, i have no idea why but i never do. I know some people that just throw it in the air and hit the back row and i can say that is prolly a lucky throw in the air and just hitting the back row.
    But all because someone doesnt go in order starting with the front cup doesnt mean its all luck. I actually start with the 2nd row for some odd reason and it works for me just fine.
    But i do understand what your trying to say but dont say people are throwing it up in the air just getting lucky because they dont go in the same order you do

    I understand, and occasionally I will aim for the back row or corner cups myself.
    I'm just saying the cups have a kind of small rim.
     
    It's not the end of the world or anything.
     

    What it comes down to is this.
     
    If possible, I would rather have a 16 oz cup with a larger rim.
    Not big deal either way I suppose, but ideally I think different cups would be better suited to beer pong.
     
    I was just trying to base my argument in a little more logic than opinion
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sfoster
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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 03:45 pm
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  • "solidgold"
    Foster.. first of all I think your numbers are completely inaccurate. 58.5% is some of the best shooting you see at the WSOBP. I don't believe that can be achieved by randomly throwing at a 3 rack. Second of all.. even if these numbers were right, there isn't enough of a difference in the percentages of the two cups  to warrant a change.

    I haven't done any real testing, but I don't know how unrealistic 60% is to be achieved by floaters on something like a 10 rack with the RK16. Maybe I would be a little surprised.
     
    I know a lot of percentages drop at harder formations like the 1-3, 2 cups side by side or last cup.
    Maybe part of it is just the fact that our balls aren't totally vertical when they drop.
     
    I do know that the lip is twice as thick on the other cups and that has to count for something.
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sfoster
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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 03:50 pm
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  • "wianek"
    playing best of 3 in the winners bracket would at least somewhat minimize these situations and ensure the better team has a larger chance of winning.

    Just doing 2/3 for the winners isn't complete unreasonable if you have enough tables.
     
    The winners bracket already have to wait a game as it is, so the added time would only be an extra 1-2 hours.
wianek
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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 03:50 pm
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  • if you play best of 3 only in the winners bracket, it actually wouldn't take that long, especially since the teams left at that phase should be able to clear the tables fairly quickly. i think you could get it done in 6 hours, which isn't too ridiculous.
     
    dub also makes a good point that in day 3 most teams are going to be solid and most players will be aiming for individual cups. however, that doesn't mean that a weaker team that would lose 8 out of 10 times to the better team won't end up knocking the better team out. playing best of 3 in the winners bracket would at least somewhat minimize these situations and ensure the better team has a larger chance of winning.
     
    or how about we just scatter the cups randomly around the table, lol?
dub
Joined: Jan 1st 1991, 12:00 am

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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 03:53 pm
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  • Sometimes the better team doesn't win. It's part of every game. That's why they actually make you play the games.
prusch
Joined: Aug 22nd 2006, 08:01 pm

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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 03:56 pm
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  • "sfoster"
    What it comes down to is this.
     
    Is possible, I would rather have a 16 oz cup with a larger rim.
    Not big deal either way I suppose, but ideally I think different cups would be better suited to beer pong.

    I think beer pong - at least the way we play it - is completely ill-suited to determine skill and skill alone.  The starting formation and reracks are there almost seemingly in order to make it easy to get lucky.
     
    I'd personally love to see a 12 oz cup, spread formation tournament.  Not much getting lucky there.
wianek
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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 04:04 pm
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  • "dub"
    Sometimes the better team doesn't win. It's part of every game. That's why they actually make you play the games.

    agreed, but there are ways to ensure the better team wins more often. professional sports have playoff series for a reason. and football games and tennis matches at least last a couple of hours as opposed to less than 10min.
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sfoster
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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 04:55 pm
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  • "dub"
    Sometimes the better team doesn't win.

    I am well aware I've lost before.
    There's no need to rub it in..
sfoster
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    Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 04:56 pm
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  • "prusch"
    "sfoster"
    What it comes down to is this.
     
    Is possible, I would rather have a 16 oz cup with a larger rim.
    Not big deal either way I suppose, but ideally I think different cups would be better suited to beer pong.

    I think beer pong - at least the way we play it - is completely ill-suited to determine skill and skill alone.  The starting formation and reracks are there almost seemingly in order to make it easy to get lucky.
     
    I'd personally love to see a 12 oz cup, spread formation tournament.  Not much getting lucky there.

    I like the idea of OT being 1 cup in each corner and then 1 in the middle, but for stuff like that I know it would add a lot of time to a tournament
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