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skinny
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    Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 11:38 pm
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  • "prusch"
    The reseeding point is interesting.  I don't know if it's as important as the break though.  
     
    All the rankings are so arbitrarily based in the first place.  Would anyone want to be seeded 32 and playing a 33 seed Smashing Time?  How about a #1 seed that is then scheduled to play them in Round 2?  I'd just want to make sure they aren't completely warmed up before playing them cold.

    A couple of thoughts on all of this.
     
    I do understand the desire to move 'semis' back into day 2, as it would make everyone have a level 'readiness' factor on day 3. On the other hand, we have always aimed to have roughly 1/3 of the field playing on day 3. We will again rethink the final day structure (as we do every year), and try to come up with a clever solution that allows a decently large number of teams to return for day 3 while reducing the effect of the 'warmup' that some teams get (even though I do agree that it's each teams responsibility to get themselves ready for match play)
sfoster
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    Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 11:51 pm
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  • I *really* liked baker's idea for the first match of the 64 team double elim being best 2/3
     
    The other teams are already warmed up, and you're setting up the higher placed teams to lose.
    Look at smashing time.
     
    They finally had a play in match and that is the year that they won. It really does mean something.
    Personally I played well in my first game, but that doesn't always happen.
     
    We won our featured match, and so our opponents had the day-3 play in instead of us... then we had that SAME NY team from our featured match day 3, only they were warmed up this time and we weren't. Definitely much more of a disadvantage than the day before.
     
    We barely took it down.
    One of the fundamental axioms of a bracket is that a higher seed should never prefer a lower seed. I think making it a best 2/3 for top 32s first match would definitely work to accomplish that.
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Ecastro715
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 12:10 am
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  • "head
    "cobra"
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    Well I guess I know what type of player you are.... A Lucky One

    Good arguement

    Well of course there is luck in the game. It's the top 32 to so lets try to make it a harder game to play and reduce the chance of lucky shots. Only luck there should be is if it goes of a random cup or side cup and goes into the cup you called. And I know people dont go in order but some of these teams it's just obvious when they hit a cup they dont want. I just think it would be fun to watch with people calling out ther shots. I mean it"s the top 32 I"m prettty sure they call they"re cups and hit them most the time.

    I agree. It's the WORLD SERIES of Beer Pong!!! Come on. I mean, if I never missed a shot it wouldn't matter, but even Ron Hamilton missed a shot. It kills me to watch my World Series go down the drain to a team that miss-makes most of all their shots. I don't think a team that does this through-out days 1 and 2 will ever win the whole thing, and I understand that the pressure made people miss more than usual, but at some point it's just a joke. When my partner and I miss shots we hit the rim of the cup we aimed for. I think maybe 4-5 times through-out the entire tournament we hit a cup we didnt want, and twice those misses hit the cup we wanted and then hit another. On day 3 we played a team and one of the guys miss-maked 3-4 times (they were obvious misses). He had a good partner that cleaned up his mess and we lost. I'm not bitter, I just think that when it's the World Series you should hit the cups you want all the time.
     
    In case no one noticed, in basketball, there aren't other rims sitting behind the main rim that count if you make the wrong one.
sfoster
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 12:21 am
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  • "Ecastro715"
    I agree. It's the WORLD SERIES of Beer Pong!!! Come on. I mean, if I never missed a shot it wouldn't matter, but even Ron Hamilton missed a shot. It kills me to watch my World Series go down the drain to a team that miss-makes most of all their shots. I don't think a team that does this through-out days 1 and 2 will ever win the whole thing, and I understand that the pressure made people miss more than usual, but at some point it's just a joke. When my partner and I miss shots we hit the rim of the cup we aimed for. I think maybe 4-5 times through-out the entire tournament we hit a cup we didnt want, and twice those misses hit the cup we wanted and then hit another. On day 3 we played a team and one of the guys miss-maked 3-4 times (they were obvious misses). He had a good partner that cleaned up his mess and we lost. I'm not bitter, I just think that when it's the World Series you should hit the cups you want all the time.
     
    In case no one noticed, in basketball, there aren't other rims sitting behind the main rim that count if you make the wrong one.

    I have a feeling that part of this problem is because of the RK-16's.
    The rims are so small it leaves very little surface area separating the cups.
     
    I haven't done any legitimate testing on that subject though, so it is just a thought.
     
    That being said - I do have a very soft throw.
    It's intentional and perhaps a sign of good technique, but I still agree it's a shame for slop to be rewarded in any great measure..
     
    I guess if you make all of your shots it won't matter that their slop goes in.
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dub
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 12:23 am
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  • This whole idea of people not hitting the cups they shoot for is fine, but you have to also understand not everyone goes front to back when shooting. I always shoot first when beginning a game and I always shoot for the 2nd row. I'm stronger on that cup and would rather shoot at those. If you look at most of our games, you'll see the front cup is almost always left. My partner also aims for the further back cups.
     
    Either way, lets not complain about "chuckers" until an actual shitty team wins or even threatens to win.
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nvelissa
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 12:33 am
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  • "sfoster"
    I *really* liked baker's idea for the first match of the 64 team double elim being best 2/3
     
    The other teams are already warmed up, and you're setting up the higher placed teams to lose.
    Look at smashing time.
     
    They finally had a play in match and that is the year that they won. It really does mean something.
    Personally I played well in my first game, but that doesn't always happen.
     
    We won our featured match, and so our opponents had the day-3 play in instead of us... then we had that SAME NY team from our featured match day 3, only they were warmed up this time and we weren't. Definitely much more of a disadvantage than the day before.
     
    We barely took it down.
    One of the fundamental axioms of a bracket is that a higher seed should never prefer a lower seed. I think making it a best 2/3 for top 32s first match would definitely work to accomplish that.

     

    i agree with baker's 2/3.  not saying it is a big deal because it was our fault, we own your face, iwc and the others who did not prepare properly, but it is a definite advantage to get a warm up game against a 98th seeded team than playing a 33rd seeded team that just beat that team cold.  we lost to an md team and not that they were bad our game was.  one kid was on fire, the other three sucked.  then got iwc and we own your face back to back.  too many bad teams advanced past good ones and the losers bracket was stacked too early on and knocking each other out.  great tournament on day 1 and day 2 but baker has a great idea if it is possible for you guys to do that on day 3.  either way, its the best week of our lives and it keeps getting better
     
    as for iwc, we own your face and us (im sure several others)...we know it is hard to win at the world series on day 3 period but it is even harder to hit a cup with both hands around your throat.
kellanismyname
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 12:41 am
    Post subject: WSOBP V

  • Im not sure if this has been discussed on other forums already but i do like the idea and have always liked the idea of having to call your cup.  obviously this would not be possible on day 1 or 2 since the games would never end but on the last day it makes perfect sense.  if the point of the competition is to crown the best beer pong players than calling your cup makes sense.
     
    either way this tournament more than exceeded my expectations and am thankful to b, d, and s for all of their hard work along with all the staff.  hopefully see everyone next year!
     
    kellan
    oregon.
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