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wianek
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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 04:34 pm
    Post subject: Question about leaning

  • "gman17"
    "wianek&
    "jeffbarnes&
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    let's be honest here, the leg kick definitely extends your reach Vince as well as other peoples reach, including mine.
     
    http://www.mywrigleyville.com/index.cfm … ken%20Bear

    Wow. That is a monster lean.

    I heard he once dunked the ball 48 times in a row

    I approve of leaning and it is annoying when people dispute it. Correct me if I am wrong, I am too lazy to read thru the rules, but isn't your foot supposed to stay on your side of the table and not go past the legs of the table? I have been called out on this a few times at official Tournaments so I was just wondering. If not cool, b/c it does seem like one of those hard to enforce rules...
     

    nope, you are allowed to put your foot under the table. it's your thigh that cannot cross the plane of the table. You can even have your foot cross the plane off to the side of the table (not underneath it) as long as your thigh is behind the plane of the table; however, when people do this they tend to edge around the table with their thighs - i've seen video of it in final games of satellites.
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gman17
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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 04:41 pm
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  • Yeah I just checked out the rules and didn't see anything so it's all good. My lean isn't too excessive and I tend to keep my left foot sideways along the front of table legs and use my right leg as the "achor" I suppose. Sounds odd but it works for me...
jeffbarnes
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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 04:56 pm
    Post subject: Question about leaning

  • "wianek"
    "jeffbarnes&
    "wianek&

     
     
    let's be honest here, the leg kick definitely extends your reach Vince as well as other peoples reach, including mine.
     
    http://www.mywrigleyville.com/index.cfm … ken%20Bear

    Wow. That is a monster lean.

    I heard he once dunked the ball 48 times in a row

    I am anti-elbow rule, but after seeing a picture like this, I can understand why an uneducated person would cry about it.
     
    There is no way you can convince me that this guy isn't at an extreme advantage releasing the ball at that point.
     
    But on the other hand, it still takes skill to get the ball in. And he's never won the WSOBP, either.
     
    Taller people have the upper hand in many areas in life. It's a known fact that taller people tend to have higher-paying jobs. Tall people are more likely to play basketball, etc. Rules aren't made to make things more even in those instances, so beer pong shouldn't be any different.
     
    Look at Tone. He won the WSOBP, and he isn't big by anyone's standards.
slowsen
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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 06:37 pm
    Post subject: Question about leaning

  • "jeffbarnes"
    "wianek&
    "jeffbarnes&
    "wianek&

     
     
    let's be honest here, the leg kick definitely extends your reach Vince as well as other peoples reach, including mine.
     
    http://www.mywrigleyville.com/index.cfm … ken%20Bear

    Wow. That is a monster lean.

    I heard he once dunked the ball 48 times in a row

    I am anti-elbow rule, but after seeing a picture like this, I can understand why an uneducated person would cry about it.
     
    There is no way you can convince me that this guy isn't at an extreme advantage releasing the ball at that point.
     
    But on the other hand, it still takes skill to get the ball in. And he's never won the WSOBP, either.
     
    Taller people have the upper hand in many areas in life. It's a known fact that taller people tend to have higher-paying jobs. Tall people are more likely to play basketball, etc. Rules aren't made to make things more even in those instances, so beer pong shouldn't be any different.
     
    Look at Tone. He won the WSOBP, and he isn't big by anyone's standards.

     
    my question is basically, what happened that led b/d/s to remove the both feet on the ground rule. Seriously not trying to debate an elbow rule. I'm anti-elbow rule.
dub
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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 06:50 pm
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  • You can't really make a judgment based on that pic. Vince's lean isn't THAT extreme as the picture would have you believe. It's the angle the pic was shot at, really.
     
    It's like in porn when they shoot under tits to make them look like mountains or the way they film cocks to make them look like fucking telephone poles. It's all about the angle.
     
    The way that pic looks, you'd think Vince is releasing well past the mid-point of the table.
     
wianek
Joined: Aug 20th 2008, 10:55 pm

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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 07:25 pm
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  • "dub"
    You can't really make a judgment based on that pic. Vince's lean isn't THAT extreme as the picture would have you believe. It's the angle the pic was shot at, really.
     
    It's like in porn when they shoot under tits to make them look like mountains or the way they film cocks to make them look like fucking telephone poles. It's all about the angle.
     
    The way that pic looks, you'd think Vince is releasing well past the mid-point of the table.
     

     

    I agree the angle exaggerates the lean. Vince's actual release point is definitely not past the mid-point of the table.
     
    "jeffbarnes"

     
    There is no way you can convince me that this guy isn't at an extreme advantage releasing the ball at that point.
     
    But on the other hand, it still takes skill to get the ball in. And he's never won the WSOBP, either.

    He does have close to 10 satellites though and took out Smashing Time twice at the SCBP Open.
     

    Even though I also shoot off one leg, IMO the original rule should not have allowed lifting your back leg... though I do get that it would lead to judgment calls.
     

     

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juzam139
Joined: Jan 1st 1991, 12:00 am

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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 07:34 pm
    Post subject: Question about leaning

  • "slowsen"
    "jeffbarnes
    "wianek&
    "jeffbarnes&
    "wianek&

     
     
    let's be honest here, the leg kick definitely extends your reach Vince as well as other peoples reach, including mine.
     
    http://www.mywrigleyville.com/index.cfm … ken%20Bear

    Wow. That is a monster lean.

    I heard he once dunked the ball 48 times in a row

    I am anti-elbow rule, but after seeing a picture like this, I can understand why an uneducated person would cry about it.
     
    There is no way you can convince me that this guy isn't at an extreme advantage releasing the ball at that point.
     
    But on the other hand, it still takes skill to get the ball in. And he's never won the WSOBP, either.
     
    Taller people have the upper hand in many areas in life. It's a known fact that taller people tend to have higher-paying jobs. Tall people are more likely to play basketball, etc. Rules aren't made to make things more even in those instances, so beer pong shouldn't be any different.
     
    Look at Tone. He won the WSOBP, and he isn't big by anyone's standards.

     
    my question is basically, what happened that led b/d/s to remove the both feet on the ground rule. Seriously not trying to debate an elbow rule. I'm anti-elbow rule.

    I think it's the "enforceability" of the issue.  The rules are written to basically create the least amount of controversy and basically the least amount of bitching.  Imagine an official running over if you shoot and your foot comes off the ground like an inch.  Is it worth it to argue about?  Probably not.  
     
    Like Barnes said, you still gotta put the ball in the cup, nuff said.  
mikepop66
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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 08:26 pm
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  • first off i like to congratulate Slowsen on being the first person to ask a question about leaning and not get killed. and asking a real question and not bitching. i honestly in ws 2 dont remember that rule at all or see it enforced. i think the elbow players are the ones who dont lift there leg when they shoot.i like most players i see lift it after i shoot. and i think the 2 feet on ground isnt enforced bc its again too much of a judgement call with as many teams there are that compete. and we dont want crappy referees watching our games the postseason there bad enough imagine the shit refs wed get for bp games lol.
     
    ws 2 and 3 i saw the no contact with the table and cups rule argued more. the thing ive seen more and more that i hate is people on the outside edge of the table leaning around it. i think ur feet should have to be inside the legs of the table while shooting and people who lean far enough to make contact with cups should be limited. either move the cups up more or move to a side when u shoot. waiting for ppl to fix cups while its ur turn and moving racks so its always different i think is another problem. let me know what u guys think.
grac112
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    Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 09:03 pm
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  • Up until the Socal open I thought the rule was that your foot had to be within the table and could not be on the outside. but it seemed a lot of people were doing that. the thigh (only)behind the table is just weird to me! foot behind the bar or under the bar should be aloud but outside of the table ehhh just a little to close of going past that table!
bizness
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    Posted: Nov 3rd 2009, 03:36 am
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  • i think for some people, myself included, one foot comes off the ground more because of the follow thru than the actual shot itself. ive seen too many people looking like a flamingo, on one foot only with their upper torso somehow levitating halfway across the table.. i think thats kinda OD but i also think that b/d/s aren't going to quickly incorporate any rules that rely too heavily on peoples judgement, and would thus cause many arguments. instead rules like the 2 feet on the floor and not being able to touch the table, have disappeared.
     
    pop's right about people edging around the table though, its yet another rule thats heavily based on judgment and leaves alot of interpretation for scrutiny- its basically like judging an elbow rule because you're trying to enforce that a persons waist isnt crossing the plane of the  table while they shoot.. the only way to really try to enforce a rule that will help solve this is to say both of your feet have to be within the two legs of the table when shooting, but i know alot of people may not like that and have to change their shots to accomdate.. ultimately, the same problems arise with being pissed off during a game cuz ur staring at some dudes feet and u notice hes not within the bars, he hits a shot, you get mad and bitch at him, he denies it, and you keep it moving. how many people are gonna stop to go get a ref to monitor? its tough but i think b/d/s are just trying to include the smoothest set of rules that will enable the tournament to run with the least amount of controversy
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